1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:29,420 Good evening. 2 00:00:29,420 --> 00:00:32,020 Some people claim to have experienced hauntings. 3 00:00:32,020 --> 00:00:38,260 They usually talk about lost souls trapped in a confined space like part of a house. 4 00:00:38,260 --> 00:00:42,460 But tonight we'll be looking at an entire village where unwelcome entities are said 5 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:44,940 literally to roam the streets. 6 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:46,860 More on that later. 7 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:51,700 Now we've all had that feeling of deja vu when unfamiliar places and events seem very 8 00:00:51,700 --> 00:00:53,580 familiar indeed. 9 00:00:53,580 --> 00:00:57,620 For some there's an even more unsettling experience when they feel that they've been born with 10 00:00:57,620 --> 00:00:59,980 another person's memories. 11 00:00:59,980 --> 00:01:05,380 In our first encounter tonight a man goes in search of his other life. 12 00:01:05,380 --> 00:01:10,140 Martin Heald from Manchester believes he has an answer, an answer that lies long before 13 00:01:10,140 --> 00:01:11,620 he was born. 14 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:16,340 The story begins with seven year old Martin finding a suitcase of war memorabilia in his 15 00:01:16,340 --> 00:01:17,340 father's bedroom. 16 00:01:17,340 --> 00:01:18,340 What's this dad? 17 00:01:18,340 --> 00:01:19,340 It's a telephone. 18 00:01:19,340 --> 00:01:20,340 Soldiers used it in the war. 19 00:01:20,340 --> 00:01:21,340 How does it work dad? 20 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:22,340 I'll show you. 21 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:25,780 You stay here and I'll give you a ring. 22 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:31,780 So we unpack the telephones, went into another room, set them up and actually started speaking 23 00:01:31,780 --> 00:01:32,780 to me. 24 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:35,780 Private Martin are you receiving? 25 00:01:35,780 --> 00:01:38,780 Yeah, receiving you loud and clear. 26 00:01:38,780 --> 00:01:40,420 What does this button do dad? 27 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:42,420 It's to send mores cold. 28 00:01:42,420 --> 00:01:43,420 Listen. 29 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:46,420 There's only a fraction of us here. 30 00:01:46,500 --> 00:02:00,180 In the last code the actual room itself changed completely and heard a low rumble. 31 00:02:00,180 --> 00:02:06,260 So one of these old aircraft coming along in the sky, it's been attacked by a smaller 32 00:02:06,260 --> 00:02:07,260 aircraft. 33 00:02:07,260 --> 00:02:13,260 In the next second it exploded the larger aircraft. 34 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:17,460 I just couldn't understand what was going on. 35 00:02:17,460 --> 00:02:20,460 I was rather frightened at the time. 36 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:21,460 Dad, I was in this plane. 37 00:02:21,460 --> 00:02:22,460 And I could shut down. 38 00:02:22,460 --> 00:02:25,180 I don't know how I was in the airplane. 39 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:26,180 What are you talking about? 40 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:28,180 It's true dad. 41 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:30,100 Don't be silly. 42 00:02:30,100 --> 00:02:34,820 Nothing like that happened to him before in my life and it was so real, the feelings 43 00:02:34,820 --> 00:02:42,420 and the actual scene itself that it just couldn't be imagination. 44 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:45,580 Martin was in the fire of the cops. 45 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:50,100 The image came back more vividly than ever. 46 00:02:50,100 --> 00:02:54,580 It was whilst the celebrations surrounding VE Day were on television. 47 00:02:54,580 --> 00:02:59,580 Martin, come and watch this. 48 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:02,580 That's one. 49 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:05,580 No, I can't. 50 00:03:05,580 --> 00:03:08,580 I can't. 51 00:03:08,740 --> 00:03:10,740 That's one. 52 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:14,740 Come and hit, come and hit, come and hit. 53 00:03:14,740 --> 00:03:21,940 The shock for me was so great at the time that I just couldn't understand why I was 54 00:03:21,940 --> 00:03:23,580 actually feeling those emotions. 55 00:03:23,580 --> 00:03:27,580 I had nothing to do with that air and nothing to do with that time. 56 00:03:27,580 --> 00:03:30,580 And there was actual memories. 57 00:03:30,580 --> 00:03:36,580 I decided in the end to actually try and find out why I was actually feeling these emotions. 58 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:42,940 I'd read somewhere about a regression therapist or regression therapy which could probably 59 00:03:42,940 --> 00:03:46,940 give me some of the actual answers that are required. 60 00:03:46,940 --> 00:03:50,780 Martin chose Josie Van Asten, a Dutch hypnotherapist. 61 00:03:50,780 --> 00:03:54,340 She believes you can be taken back to a former life under hypnosis. 62 00:03:54,340 --> 00:03:56,940 I don't believe that everyone has a past life. 63 00:03:56,940 --> 00:03:58,340 I'm sure of it. 64 00:03:58,340 --> 00:04:02,580 Josie hypnotizes her subjects in a darkened candlelit room. 65 00:04:02,580 --> 00:04:07,580 She gently questions them, gradually regressing them in time. 66 00:04:07,580 --> 00:04:09,340 Your mother's calling you. 67 00:04:09,340 --> 00:04:11,340 What is your name? 68 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:12,340 Richard. 69 00:04:12,340 --> 00:04:14,840 Richard Seymour. 70 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,340 How old are you? 71 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:19,840 18. 72 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:24,340 What year is it? 73 00:04:24,340 --> 00:04:25,340 It's 1938. 74 00:04:25,340 --> 00:04:30,580 There are a lot of people who can see their past lives. 75 00:04:30,580 --> 00:04:34,580 Remarkable with Martin Wolse, there was so many facts and dates. 76 00:04:34,580 --> 00:04:38,580 The pictures I was actually seeing under hypnosis were so clear. 77 00:04:38,580 --> 00:04:41,580 It was like actually watching a television picture. 78 00:04:41,580 --> 00:04:43,580 Let's go forward. 79 00:04:43,580 --> 00:04:45,580 Where are you now? 80 00:04:45,580 --> 00:04:48,580 I'm at an RAF base. 81 00:04:52,580 --> 00:04:55,580 I'm putting on a uniform. 82 00:04:55,580 --> 00:04:58,580 It was heavy. 83 00:04:59,580 --> 00:05:01,580 The sleeves are too long. 84 00:05:01,580 --> 00:05:03,580 What happens next? 85 00:05:03,580 --> 00:05:06,580 Chosen. 86 00:05:06,580 --> 00:05:08,580 What for? 87 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:11,580 To learn Morse code. 88 00:05:11,580 --> 00:05:14,580 And then what happens? 89 00:05:17,580 --> 00:05:20,580 We're gathering for a mission. 90 00:05:22,580 --> 00:05:27,580 The emotions I could actually feel on the aircraft were unbelievable. 91 00:05:27,580 --> 00:05:34,580 Especially with the realisation that it was actually flying over to Germany. 92 00:05:34,580 --> 00:05:39,580 And by this time I was emotionally this person. 93 00:05:39,580 --> 00:05:41,580 I had become this person. 94 00:05:41,580 --> 00:05:43,580 I was Martin Healer no longer. 95 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:47,580 I was actually reliving that flight as that person. 96 00:05:47,580 --> 00:05:49,580 Lights. 97 00:05:49,580 --> 00:05:51,580 What's happening? 98 00:05:51,580 --> 00:05:53,580 Bright lights. 99 00:05:54,580 --> 00:05:57,580 There's a fire department coming underneath us. 100 00:05:59,580 --> 00:06:01,580 Move your head! 101 00:06:01,580 --> 00:06:03,580 Move your head! 102 00:06:08,580 --> 00:06:10,580 Are you still alive? 103 00:06:10,580 --> 00:06:12,580 No. 104 00:06:14,580 --> 00:06:16,580 My body won't be found. 105 00:06:16,580 --> 00:06:18,580 Because of the explosion. 106 00:06:18,580 --> 00:06:21,580 Intrigued by the results of the regression, 107 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:27,580 Martin contacted the World War II archive to see if there had ever been a Richard Seymour who served in the RAF. 108 00:06:27,580 --> 00:06:30,580 It wasn't long before he got a reply. 109 00:06:30,580 --> 00:06:32,580 Jay, look. 110 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:34,580 There's a blood call. Richard Seymour. 111 00:06:34,580 --> 00:06:35,580 And he was in the RAF. 112 00:06:35,580 --> 00:06:37,580 And he flew in missions during the war. 113 00:06:37,580 --> 00:06:39,580 It can't be true. 114 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:40,580 I don't believe this. 115 00:06:40,580 --> 00:06:44,580 The facts seemed to fit uncannily with Martin's recall under hypnosis. 116 00:06:44,580 --> 00:06:49,580 Incredibly, the real Richard Seymour had been a wireless operator during the Second World War. 117 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:55,580 Richard's plane had been shot down on July 20, 1942, as it flew on a bombing mission to Germany. 118 00:06:55,580 --> 00:07:01,580 It was the target of an ace Messerschmitt pilot, just as Martin had recalled in his regression. 119 00:07:01,580 --> 00:07:05,580 Sadly, the airmen still listed as missing presumed dead. 120 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:10,580 Martin healed and was now convinced he had been Richard Seymour in a previous life. 121 00:07:10,580 --> 00:07:14,580 Could that also explain weird events earlier in Martin's life? 122 00:07:14,580 --> 00:07:20,580 As a 17-year-old, he sat tests to join the RAF, including one for the Morse Code. 123 00:07:20,580 --> 00:07:28,580 And remember feeling joy in the test, a strange deja vu feeling, which at the time, it didn't take much notice of. 124 00:07:28,580 --> 00:07:34,580 And two weeks later, I went back to Manchester Careers Information Office for the test results. 125 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:36,580 Ah, Mr Heal, sit down. 126 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:38,580 I've got your results. 127 00:07:38,580 --> 00:07:43,580 Can I ask you first of all, have you got any experience in Morse Code? 128 00:07:43,580 --> 00:07:45,580 No, none. 129 00:07:45,580 --> 00:07:47,580 Well, that's amazing. 130 00:07:47,580 --> 00:07:49,580 You've got 100%. 131 00:07:49,580 --> 00:07:53,580 That's never happened before in the history of the RAF, to my knowledge. 132 00:07:53,580 --> 00:07:57,580 Couldn't the results just have been a reflection of Martin's natural intelligence? 133 00:07:57,580 --> 00:08:01,580 Or could he really have been Richard Seymour in a past life? 134 00:08:01,580 --> 00:08:08,580 Martin maintains he'd never heard of Seymour before the hypnosis sessions, but is there some other explanation? 135 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:21,580 We have to bear in mind in all cases of hypnotic regression that the individual might be remembering things that he's acquired in an earlier part of his life and has completely forgotten. 136 00:08:21,580 --> 00:08:23,580 A possible explanation? 137 00:08:23,580 --> 00:08:25,580 Martin was convinced not. 138 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:29,580 Just how much information could you reasonably pick up about someone else's life? 139 00:08:29,580 --> 00:08:32,580 Surely there's only so much detail you could remember. 140 00:08:32,580 --> 00:08:37,580 Martin decided to submit himself to a second, more rigorous session with Yossi. 141 00:08:37,580 --> 00:08:40,580 Where are you? 142 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:42,580 At my house. 143 00:08:42,580 --> 00:08:44,580 Can you tell me what it looks like? 144 00:08:44,580 --> 00:08:46,580 It's big. 145 00:08:46,580 --> 00:08:48,580 It's a big house. 146 00:08:48,580 --> 00:08:50,580 It's a door. 147 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:52,580 A wooden door. 148 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:57,580 Go through the door, and what can you see? 149 00:08:57,580 --> 00:09:00,580 My parents. 150 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:03,580 What are their names? 151 00:09:03,580 --> 00:09:09,580 My father's called Archie, and my mother's name's Mary. 152 00:09:09,580 --> 00:09:16,580 And I began to see the pictures and feel the emotions as strongly, if not stronger, than the actual first regression itself. 153 00:09:16,580 --> 00:09:30,580 He could describe the surrounding, the house, everything what happens, his feelings, and it was all for him as if he were again in that life. 154 00:09:30,580 --> 00:09:37,580 For the next hour and a half, Martin, under hypnosis, described life for Richard Seymour in 1938. 155 00:09:37,580 --> 00:09:44,580 He talked about a village with a row of shops near his house. 156 00:09:44,580 --> 00:09:50,580 There was a church with a small spire. Richard's father is the vicar. 157 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:55,580 And there's a pretty bridge over a river opposite his home. 158 00:09:55,580 --> 00:09:57,580 Do you like going to that river? 159 00:09:57,580 --> 00:09:59,580 Yeah. 160 00:09:59,580 --> 00:10:01,580 To fish. 161 00:10:01,580 --> 00:10:07,580 Martin decided to investigate and traced Richard Seymour's family to Swallowfield in Berkshire. 162 00:10:07,580 --> 00:10:13,580 There, on the village's war memorial, is a tribute to Sergeant Richard Seymour of the RAF. 163 00:10:13,580 --> 00:10:18,580 The quiet river Blackwater runs past the village as Martin described. 164 00:10:18,580 --> 00:10:23,580 And in pre-war days, there was a small row of shops, which today are private houses. 165 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:32,580 The village church has a short spire. It's pre-war vicar, the Reverend Archibald Seymour, who lived with his wife Mary and family in the vicarage, as Martin had said. 166 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:37,580 But Martin's description of Richard's house doesn't match the vicarage. 167 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:44,580 So had Martin finally got some details wrong, Swallowfield's vicarage has been home to the village's priest since 1956. 168 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:52,580 Nobody coming to the village within the last 40 years would know of any other building other than that as being the vicarage. 169 00:10:52,580 --> 00:10:57,580 Before then, the old Mead House just two doors away was home to the village's clergy. 170 00:10:57,580 --> 00:11:01,580 And Martin's description under hypnosis fits that house exactly. 171 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:05,580 It was the home of the Reverend Archibald Seymour in 1938. 172 00:11:05,580 --> 00:11:10,580 I've not yet come across a case that is 100% proof of reincarnation. 173 00:11:10,580 --> 00:11:17,580 And in Martin's case, we cannot say that either. It still requires more evidence to prove it. 174 00:11:17,580 --> 00:11:23,580 But certainly it's a very real experience for him and it is very, very similar to other cases. 175 00:11:29,580 --> 00:11:36,580 Whether Martin's story of a past life is true or not, he has experienced one dramatic change since the hypnosis. 176 00:11:36,580 --> 00:11:42,580 He no longer has flashbacks or dreams. The memories of Richard Seymour have been laid to rest. 177 00:11:43,580 --> 00:11:46,580 After the break, we will be visiting the Kent village of Pluckly. 178 00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:53,580 The official population is nearly a thousand, but that doesn't take into account some of the more spectral residents. 179 00:11:53,580 --> 00:12:02,580 Every year, villages across the country are pitted against each other for any number of honours and awards. 180 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:07,580 Which has the best pub, the best cricket team, which is the best kept village. 181 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:11,580 In Kent, that's a title which can easily be shared by a number of contenders. 182 00:12:11,580 --> 00:12:18,580 Among them is Pluckly, which is the best pub, the best cricket team, which is the best kept village. 183 00:12:18,580 --> 00:12:22,580 In Kent, that's a title which can easily be shared by a number of contenders. 184 00:12:22,580 --> 00:12:29,580 Among them is Pluckly, the setting for the television series about life in idyllic rural England, The Darling Buds of May. 185 00:12:29,580 --> 00:12:35,580 But as well as vying for the best kept village title, Pluckly lays claim to a more dubious honour. 186 00:12:49,580 --> 00:12:56,580 Among Pluckly's local landmarks are Devil's Bush, Fright Corner and Screaming Woods. 187 00:12:56,580 --> 00:13:00,580 As the place name suggests, the village has its darker side. 188 00:13:00,580 --> 00:13:08,580 Frightening shadowy figures and mournful apparitions are some of the strange sightings which have been reported over the years. 189 00:13:08,580 --> 00:13:14,580 And ghostly screams have been heard coming from the thick woodland that engulfs the village. 190 00:13:14,580 --> 00:13:19,580 If the stories are to be believed, this is the land of the undead. 191 00:13:21,580 --> 00:13:27,580 There are twelve ghosts in Pluckly, plus one or two more that have shown on the scene recently. 192 00:13:27,580 --> 00:13:36,580 First place this size, that is quite phenomenal. As far as villages go, this has got the most, undoubtedly the most haunted village in England. 193 00:13:36,580 --> 00:13:43,580 This quintessentially English hamlet has indeed earned the title of the country's most haunted village. 194 00:13:43,580 --> 00:13:49,580 But can there really be two white ladies, a red lady and a monk roaming through Pluckly? 195 00:13:49,580 --> 00:13:58,580 These are questions that divide the village. Some dismiss the stories as pure fantasy and warn that they could turn the village into a tourist trap. 196 00:13:58,580 --> 00:14:02,580 But to others, the ghostly tales are chilling reality. 197 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:08,580 I was going back from Bethesden in babysitting the grandchildren. It was quite, it was past midnight. 198 00:14:08,580 --> 00:14:15,580 We got to Pluckly, well the poor Pluckly Pinnock, and we see this bright light coming towards us. 199 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:18,580 You could see it was a coach and horses. 200 00:14:18,580 --> 00:14:24,580 The miles would just slow down and we looked again because we couldn't believe our eyes. 201 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:28,580 I mean we'd been up and down the roads loads of times, never ever seen anything before. 202 00:14:28,580 --> 00:14:34,580 There was nobody on it, I couldn't see anybody on it. And then it just disappeared into the night. 203 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:41,580 I mean I've heard of Pluckly being haunted, but until we actually see that, I didn't really believe it until then. 204 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:45,580 But I do believe that there are such things now. 205 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:51,580 Personally I find nothing farfetched about the possibilities of a haunted, haunted by a coach and horses here. 206 00:14:51,580 --> 00:14:58,580 This is the typical village and it is on a main coaching route in the old days between Smardon and Charing. 207 00:14:58,580 --> 00:15:02,580 The countryside was ideal for highwaymen. 208 00:15:02,580 --> 00:15:06,580 And I was walking down the road and this figure appeared and ran the corner. 209 00:15:06,580 --> 00:15:13,580 And I thought, God, what's this? And I froze more or less for a minute. 210 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:20,580 It was a figure in a long black coat with a collar right up. 211 00:15:20,580 --> 00:15:26,580 Looked if it had riding boots on. And it went across the road through the edge. 212 00:15:26,580 --> 00:15:31,580 And oh, I just ran. I just tore off indoors. 213 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:34,580 When I got in I had goose pimples as big as eggs on my arms. 214 00:15:34,580 --> 00:15:39,580 Well I think I see the high women. I can do anything, nothing to frighten me. No one to frighten me. 215 00:15:39,580 --> 00:15:44,580 But that certainly did that night. 216 00:15:44,580 --> 00:15:49,580 I have heard a story of the high women of Pluckly who fell out with his fellow rogues in the village 217 00:15:49,580 --> 00:15:55,580 and was driven out of the village towards Fright Corner where there was a tree standing. 218 00:15:56,580 --> 00:16:02,580 He was pinned to it, terrible scream, bloody blades and so ended the life of that man. 219 00:16:02,580 --> 00:16:06,580 But he continued to live in the village as a ghost. 220 00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:11,580 But in Pluckly it's not just the remote country roads that have been the source of supernatural tales. 221 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:17,580 Gloria Atkins knew nothing of the village's ghostly reputation when she arrived in 1994. 222 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:23,580 When I first saw the blacksmith arms as it was, it was all boarded up. 223 00:16:23,580 --> 00:16:30,580 No lights, very spooky and we viewed it by candlelight. 224 00:16:30,580 --> 00:16:38,580 But I liked it. I thought, well, I'm sure I could make a go of it as a tea room. 225 00:16:38,580 --> 00:16:43,580 The old pub had originally been a forge dating back to the 16th century. 226 00:16:43,580 --> 00:16:49,580 It was a lunchtime and Lynn is my assistant and we were sitting in my kitchen. 227 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:55,580 My daughter had been down and she has one of these baby monitors and it was plugged into the kitchen. 228 00:16:55,580 --> 00:16:58,580 Oh no, what was that? 229 00:17:00,580 --> 00:17:05,580 The transmitter was plugged in upstairs and all of a sudden we heard footsteps coming over it. 230 00:17:05,580 --> 00:17:13,580 I mean it was very definite footsteps. Gloria looked at myself and I looked at her and I said, oh my God, somebody's broken in. 231 00:17:13,580 --> 00:17:17,580 So we both went upstairs and of course there was nothing there. 232 00:17:17,580 --> 00:17:25,580 I can't explain it because I really don't know what it was. It sounded like a person but there was nobody up there. 233 00:17:25,580 --> 00:17:29,580 So it must have been something but what it was, I can't say. 234 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:39,580 There's been numerous things, confusing, unexplainable, odd little things really that I can't understand. 235 00:17:39,580 --> 00:17:43,580 For instance, there was a problem with the stow. 236 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:49,580 I went to bed early that night and it must have been about 10 I went to bed. 237 00:17:49,580 --> 00:18:00,580 I went to sleep and I sort of woke up for no apparent reason and over my eyes and I just saw this figure that had got me in my bed like a shadow of a little boy about, I don't know, five or six, something like that. 238 00:18:00,580 --> 00:18:07,580 If it was a dream, there's no way I've ever had a dream that realistic and it was just definitely couldn't have been a dream. 239 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:15,580 Even the dog has got her suspicions. She doesn't like going upstairs. 240 00:18:15,580 --> 00:18:22,580 She gets very nervous, she barks, growls, all her coat and the back goes up. 241 00:18:22,580 --> 00:18:32,580 There's nothing there and then also she barks but something in the corner of the kitchen, near the ceiling. But there's nothing there. 242 00:18:33,580 --> 00:18:40,580 It's difficult to understand why Pluckley should hold the title of England's most haunted village but the answer may lie in its history. 243 00:18:40,580 --> 00:18:47,580 The village of Pluckley is mentioned in the Doomsday book and goes back long before that. It's steeped in history. 244 00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:59,580 The more superstitious might argue that Pluckley's entry in the Doomsday book on page 13 may have something to do with its unfortunate reputation but not all the stories are linked to historical figures. 245 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:05,580 Taxi driver Raymond Breakspear picked up his most unusual fare in Pluckley. 246 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:11,580 Well after two o'clock in the morning, I took my couple of girls from our ship and came out the night club. 247 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:14,580 I took them in the headcourt, jotted them off. 248 00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:19,580 Coming back to our ship, I came back through Pluckley, it must have been 2.45, 3 o'clock in the morning. 249 00:19:19,580 --> 00:19:24,580 Her guy had sort of appeared from the side of the road, flagged me down. 250 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:30,580 Well that's a bonus, you don't get a proper return fare at that time in the morning. 251 00:19:33,580 --> 00:19:36,580 Oh right, that's all amazing. 252 00:19:39,580 --> 00:19:40,580 Which one you got? 253 00:19:42,580 --> 00:19:46,580 If you got on the cab, where'd he go? If you didn't get on the cab then... 254 00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:50,580 Well, am I going that to what, you know? 255 00:19:50,580 --> 00:19:54,580 If the door had opened, I'd have heard it. The interior light would have come on. 256 00:19:54,580 --> 00:20:00,580 There's no way that someone could have physically opened the door and get out without me knowing. 257 00:20:01,580 --> 00:20:05,580 If you want an explanation, you can grab a fine one. I haven't got one. 258 00:20:06,580 --> 00:20:11,580 Pluckley made it into the Guinness Book of Records thanks to its extraordinary collection of ghost stories. 259 00:20:12,580 --> 00:20:17,580 One former parish priest, the Reverend Pittock, even conducted exorcisms in the village. 260 00:20:18,580 --> 00:20:28,580 Who has the power of death? Let even spirits be driven out and may the angel of peace enter in. 261 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:40,580 But the present vicar, the Reverend Michael Higgs, is a skeptic. 262 00:20:41,580 --> 00:20:48,580 I think there were one or two rumours perhaps before the war, but after the war it seemed to take off then. 263 00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:53,580 And I suspect it might have had something to do with the tourist trade. 264 00:20:54,580 --> 00:20:58,580 I definitely see that. I don't think I see it. 265 00:20:59,580 --> 00:21:02,580 And I don't care who says I didn't, I did. 266 00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:06,580 Okay, I accept that. They have seen something, but what is it? 267 00:21:06,580 --> 00:21:10,580 And I think it's wrong just to jump to conclusions. 268 00:21:10,580 --> 00:21:16,580 I think one should have a more analytical approach to why you think you've seen something. 269 00:21:20,580 --> 00:21:23,580 It wasn't my imagination because I was in the seat as well. 270 00:21:25,580 --> 00:21:35,580 The stories of the ghost of Pluckley that are fixed in my mind are those which were told and reinforced by people who lived in the village way back in 1984. 271 00:21:36,580 --> 00:21:44,580 But since that time a lot of people have retracted, possibly by a bit of pressure put to bear on them to keep sightseers out of the village. 272 00:21:45,580 --> 00:21:54,580 There are no ghosts in Pluckley. The only ghost that I believe exists here in Pluckley and in this church is the Holy Ghost. 273 00:21:55,580 --> 00:22:01,580 Local people remain divided. Some are trying to rid Pluckley of its title as Britain's most haunted village. 274 00:22:02,580 --> 00:22:05,580 Others are convinced they have witnessed the paranormal. 275 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:09,580 Whatever the truth, the reports of sightings continue. 276 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:19,580 This year neither Pluckley nor any other place makes the record books with the title of England's most haunted village. 277 00:22:20,580 --> 00:22:26,580 You'll understand there's a problem measuring this kind of thing. Phantoms just won't stand up and be counted. Good night.